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Re: [TSL] German ancestor to Liverpool from Hamburg?
Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> on 04/10/2013

The only Emil (using exact name Engelbrecht) I saw is the below (David/Emil
stays elusive). One problem is that if he was sailing as a mariner he
probably  wouldn't show in a passenger list.


Hamburger Passagierlisten, 1850-1934 Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934
about Emil Engelbrecht
Name:     Emil Engelbrecht
Departure Date:     18 Nov 1883
Destination:     New York
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1863
Age Year:     20
Gender:     männlich (Male)
Family:     Household members
Residence:     Hamburg,
Occupation:     Kaufmann

Ship Name:     Victoria
Captain:     Rehm, B. F.
Ship Type:     Segelschiff
Accommodation:     ohne Angabe
Ship Flag:     Deutschland
Port of Departure:     Hamburg
Port of Arrival:     New York

Volume:     373-7 I, VIII A 3 Band 001
Page:     264

Source Citation: Staatsarchive Hamburg; Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 3 Band 001;
Seite: 264.

Source Information:
Staatsarchiv Hamburg. Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934 [database
on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.
Original data: Staatsarchiv Hamburg, Bestand: 373-7 I, VIII
(Auswanderungsamt I). Mikrofilmrollen K 1701 - K 2008, S 17363 - S 17383,
13116 - 13183.

The below are the result of clicking on the Household members button (but
clearly not the same voyage)

H Christ Engelbrecht     31 Okt 1889 (31 Oct 1889)     abt 1846     New
York     Augusta Victoria
 Emil Engelbrecht     18 Nov 1883     abt 1863     New York     Victoria

 Bertha Engelbrecht     1 Okt 1908 (1 Oct 1908)     abt 1867     Cuxhaven;
Southampton; Cherbourg; New York     Kaiserin Auguste Victoria
 Heinr Engelbrecht     30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890)     abt 1868     New York
    Augusta Victoria
 Carl Engelbrecht von     19 Okt 1899 (19 Oct 1899)     abt 1870
Southampton; Cherbourg; New York     Auguste Victoria
 Wilhelm Engelbrecht     7 Aug 1891     abt 1873     New York     Augusta
Victoria
 Gustav Engelbrecht     1 Aug 1901     abt 1876     Cherbourg; Southampton;
Plymouth; New York     Auguste Victoria
 Gustav Engelbrecht     20 Jan 1903     abt 1877     Southampton;
Cherbourg; New York     Auguste Victoria


I found this census interesting, too bad Sarah doesn't say "wife of seaman,
at sea" or something like that.


Name:     David S Englebret
Age:     5
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1886
Relation:     Son
Mother's Name:     Sarah Englebret
Gender:     Male
Where born:     Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish:     Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish:     St James
Town:     Toxteth Park
County/Island:     Lancashire
Country:     England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district:     Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district:     Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel:     8
Neighbors:     View others on page
Piece:     2924
Folio:     91
Page Number:     25
Household Members:
Name     Age
Sarah Englebret     33
John W Englebret     15
Elizabeth Englebret     11
Hannah Englebret     8
David S Englebret     5
Mary S Englebret     3
Maud M Englebret     1


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2924; Folio: 91; Page: 25; GSU Roll:
6098034.


1891




Name:     Sarah Englebret
Age:     33
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1858
Relation:     Head
Gender:     Female
Where born:     Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish:     Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish:     St James
Town:     Toxteth Park
County/Island:     Lancashire
Country:     England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district:     Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district:     Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel:     8
Neighbors:     View others on page
Piece:     2924
Folio:     91
Page Number:     25
Household Members:
Name     Age
Sarah Englebret     33
John W Englebret     15
Elizabeth Englebret     11
Hannah Englebret     8
David S Englebret     5
Mary S Englebret     3
Maud M Englebret     1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2924; Folio: 91; Page: 25; GSU Roll:
6098034.


Name:     Sarah Engelbert
Age:     24
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1857
Relation:     Boarder
Gender:     Female
Where born:     Liverpool

Civil parish:     Toxteth Park
County/Island:     Lancashire
Country:     England

Street Address:     116 Mann St
Condition as to marriage:     Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district:     Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district:     Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel:     25
Neighbors:     View others on page
Piece:     3639
Folio:     25
Page Number:     44
Household Members:
Name     Age
Sarah Langshaw     54
Peter Birch     60
Sarah Engelbert     24
Sarah Jane Willis     5
John Willis     4
Elizabeth Engelbert



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3639; Folio: 25; Page: 44; GSU roll:
1341871.


And just 'cause


Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Sarah Langshaw
Name:     Sarah Langshaw
Birth Year:     abt 1857
Age:     18
Marriage Date:     3 Mar 1875
Parish:     Bevington St Alban
Spouse's Name:     Thomas Wylie
Father's Name:     Samuel Langshaw   carpenter
Spouse Father's Name:     John Wylie    Master Mariner

"In the Presence of" Samuel Langshaw and Ellen Langshaw


Name:     Sarah Wylie   living 195 Upper Mann(I think) st
Birth Year:     abt 1856
Age:     23
Marriage Date:     27 Aug 1879
Parish:     Toxteth Park St John the Baptist
Spouse's Name:     David Emil Engleburth   195 Upper Mann St
Father's Name:     Samuel Lanshaw
Spouse Father's Name:     George Engleburth

And just because I still can't find David



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Frederick Englebert <
frederickenglebert@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Hello List,
> Looking for my Greatgrandfather, EMIL DAVID ENGELBRECHT, born in Hamburg
> it is said on a Home Office list of "enemy aliens", (he was supposedly
> interned at the outbreak of WW1), on 21-04-1850. Though researchers tell me
> that there are no birth/baptism records for my people for Hamburg for the
> years 1850/1866!
> Emil married in Liverpool 1879, so I assume he travelled at about 16 years
> old, say 1866/70.
> He was a ships Steward/cook, his father was Georg(e) deceased before 1879,
> a Customs Officer.
> Emil married Sarah Wylie (neeLangshaw) and had amongst several others, my
> Grandfather David Samuel Engelbrecht.
> The name has changed down the years from Engelbrecht, up to 1888,
> Engelbert up to 1925, and now Englebert. Most of the later changes due, I
> think, to transcription arrors.
> Emil died in Pontefract, Yorkshire, in 1939 as David Engelbert.
> I cannot find details of my people on any Ships List so I am hoping
> someone on your list can guide me in this matter
>
> Many thanks
>
> Here's hoping
>
> Frederick
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