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Re: [TSL] THESHIPSLIST Digest, Vol 8, Issue 90
Linda Neilson <laneilson@comcast.net> on 09/04/2013

I have been looking for a long time for my great grandmother's record of coming to the US. I'm on ancestry.com and have searched there and anywhere else I can find ships' lists. I assumed the whole family came here, but now I'm thinking maybe not. My great grandmother and one sister are in lots of records here, mostly in Pennsylvania. Here's what I know:
Minnie Wylie (Wiley, Wyle) was born in March of 1870 in Ireland; came to USA at the age of 14, so, in 1884. I assume she and her sister came together--her sister was Katherine (Cassie) Wylie (Wiley, Wyle), born in Ireland in 1864.

I read that some people, to avoid immigration authorities, landed in Canada and then crossed over the border to this country. Eventually, the US sent immigration officials to Canadian ports, but for a few years, records were sketchy. Has anyone else heard about this? Do you know what years this was?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

Linda





 
On Sep 3, 2013, at 2:00 AM, theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com wrote:



Today's Topics:

  1. Completeness of online passenger-list databases
     (pjsalis@hal-pc.org)
  2. *new* for TheShipsList website (Susan Swiggum)
  3. Re: Completeness of online passenger-list databases
     (Eliz Hanebury)
  4. Re: Completeness of online passenger-list databases
     (Susan Swiggum)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 11:25:41 -0500
From: pjsalis@hal-pc.org
Subject: [TSL] Completeness of online passenger-list databases
To: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com
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Hello All,

MY PROBLEM:

I'm searching for my great-aunt's emigration voyage from Ireland to the US
(probably Boston, but possibly New York).  I've searched the Ancestry and
FamilySearch passenger-list databases over and over again, using every
search term, wildcards included, that I can think of, and focusing on the
1900-1904 period.  I've examined the images of all the potential records
that those searches revealed.  I can't find her anywhere in that 1900-1904
period.  I'm wondering if there are some passenger lists that have not yet
been processed in some way.

Name:  Katie/Kate/Catherine/Catharine Hayes (all forenames were recorded
at various times)

Birth date:  Dec. 24, 1885, according to her Social Security application
and her NY death record.  But, her reported age varied over the years, as
did those of many of her siblings.

Birth place:  Liscannor, Co. Clare, Ireland.

Parents:  John and Margaret (Claire) Hayes, of Liscannor.

Emigration year:  1902, according to the immigration date reported on her
enumeration in the 1910 Lowell, MA, US census and to the immigration date
on the passenger list, under the name Katie Plunket, for her Oct. 12,
1910, arrival in Boston on the Zeeland from Liverpool.  She had traveled
back to Ireland earlier that year.  On the Zeeland passenger list her
reported age was 25, so the calculated birth year was 1885.

Spouse:  Thomas Plunket (actually Plunkett), whom she married in 1910 and
who accompanied her on the 1910 Zeeland voyage.


MY QUESTIONS:

1.  Have all, and I mean all, the passenger lists for arrivals at Boston
and New York harbors been microfilmed?

2.  Have all the microfilmed records been processed for online viewing?

3.  Am I right to think that some records in online databases have not yet
been indexed, and as a result cannot be found by using the regular
database search functions?


Thanks for any thoughts.

PJ, in Texas




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:53:49 -0300
From: Susan Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: [TSL] *new* for TheShipsList website
To: TheShipsList <theshipslist@rootsweb.com>,	Robert Janmaat
	<rjanmaat@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5224C29D.7050903@ns.sympatico.ca>
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                          *new* for TheShipsList website
                            http://www.theshipslist.com/

All the new and updated files and databases have been placed on their 
own page(s) Find them on the front page in between the big arrows
                             --------------> <---------------

At the bottom of each of these pages I have placed links named " 
previous month " and " next month " so you are able to navigate back and 
forth between the monthly *new & updated* pages, as I only keep three 
months of *new* page links on the Home page.  New for August 2013 is . . .

 o Ship Arrivals:
   o Ships to Quebec 1831 ...still in progress, however ...

... as I'd written last month, the first page completely finished .. 
with some really great stuff, even if you aren't looking for 1831 Quebec 
arrivals

 o Passengers:
   o South Australia
     o ship Dunkeld, from London to Port Adelaide October 10th 1873
     o ship Kirkham, from London to Port Adelaide October 11th 1873
     o
   o Quebec Steamboats
     o Chambly - 5th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 18th May 1831
     o St. Lawrence - 4th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 21st May 1831
     o John Molson - 5th trip up, Quebec to Montreal, 22nd May 1831

Two more lists of South Australia arrivals for 1873 have very few 
assisted emigrants compared to earlier years.  Vessels for the rest of 
the year will carry pretty similar numbers.  I believe they were 
primarily cargo ships.  Where I have been able, I have added more 
identifying information on the passengers.

The 1831 Quebec steamboat passenger lists are coming along very nicely. 
 I'm still working on May, to catch up to the June, already 
transcribed. I am really liking the 1831 lists. My favourite this month 
is the 5th trip up for the JOHN MOLSON ... wish the lists were this 
clear and detailed.

Please share this *new* for TheShipsList website email, with any other 
list to which you belong if you think it might be of interest or value 
to those list members (in other words, on-topic).
Enjoy !!

Sue
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http://www.theshipslist.com/




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:56:06 -0400
From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TSL] Completeness of online passenger-list databases
To: pjsalis@hal-pc.org
Cc: THESHIPSLIST <THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com>
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Considering how messed up some of the manifests have become after
researchers got thru with them <>G (I have to laugh or give up and cry) and
considering how hand writing can be. I suggest you search thru the
stevemorse.org search forms.
Ellis Island is searched thru http://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
Back it off to the Org and you can search other ports one at a time using
all the tricks you can think of.

Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)

For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
   (Dag Hammarskjold)


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM, <pjsalis@hal-pc.org> wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> MY PROBLEM:
> 
> I'm searching for my great-aunt's emigration voyage from Ireland to the US
> (probably Boston, but possibly New York).  I've searched the Ancestry and
> FamilySearch passenger-list databases over and over again, using every
> search term, wildcards included, that I can think of, and focusing on the
> 1900-1904 period.  I've examined the images of all the potential records
> that those searches revealed.  I can't find her anywhere in that 1900-1904
> period.  I'm wondering if there are some passenger lists that have not yet
> been processed in some way.
> 
> Name:  Katie/Kate/Catherine/Catharine Hayes (all forenames were recorded
> at various times)
> 
> Birth date:  Dec. 24, 1885, according to her Social Security application
> and her NY death record.  But, her reported age varied over the years, as
> did those of many of her siblings.
> 
> Birth place:  Liscannor, Co. Clare, Ireland.
> 
> Parents:  John and Margaret (Claire) Hayes, of Liscannor.
> 
> Emigration year:  1902, according to the immigration date reported on her
> enumeration in the 1910 Lowell, MA, US census and to the immigration date
> on the passenger list, under the name Katie Plunket, for her Oct. 12,
> 1910, arrival in Boston on the Zeeland from Liverpool.  She had traveled
> back to Ireland earlier that year.  On the Zeeland passenger list her
> reported age was 25, so the calculated birth year was 1885.
> 
> Spouse:  Thomas Plunket (actually Plunkett), whom she married in 1910 and
> who accompanied her on the 1910 Zeeland voyage.
> 
> 
> MY QUESTIONS:
> 
> 1.  Have all, and I mean all, the passenger lists for arrivals at Boston
> and New York harbors been microfilmed?
> 
> 2.  Have all the microfilmed records been processed for online viewing?
> 
> 3.  Am I right to think that some records in online databases have not yet
> been indexed, and as a result cannot be found by using the regular
> database search functions?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
> 
> PJ, in Texas
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 15:34:07 -0300
From: Susan Swiggum <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [TSL] Completeness of online passenger-list databases
To: pjsalis@hal-pc.org
Cc: THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <5224DA1F.2060705@ns.sympatico.ca>
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Hi P.J.,

Is this one of the records you had found ?

Name:     Catherine Hayes
Arrival Date:     24 Apr 1902
Age:     18
Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1884
Gender:     Female
Port of Departure:     Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name:     Ivernia
Port of Arrival:     Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name:     Maggie Hayer  [sic]
Last Residence:     Rusheen

Rusheen is listed as her last residence ... not birthplace.   A 
Queenstown (Cork) departure would make sense.  Did Catherine have a 
sister called Maggie who lived in Boston, because that is where she was 
going.   I may have found Katherine with 28 year old sister Margaret in 
1910 census in Newton.   It says her immigration year was 1904 and that 
Margaret was 1902 ... the census taker might have made an error, 
however, the actual year of emigration is the most misremembered part of 
the date on census and naturalization records.

I tried to duplicate the 1910 census record you quoted, but didn't find 
it.    I did find something interesting on the 1910 ZEELAND passenger 
record.    It states that their former residence was Dublin ; that 
Thomas had not been to the US before but she had, from 1902-1910 and 
that they was destined to (his, Thomas) brother-in-law Patrick Hayes, 
142 Church Street, Lowell ....

This might have been her trip back to Queenstown

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name:     Katie Hayes
Port of Departure:     Boston, Massachusetts, United States
Arrival Date:     26 May 1910
Port of Arrival:     Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ports of Voyage:     Boston
Ship Name:     Cymric
Shipping Line:     White Star Dominion Line

I'll leave it to others to post on the veracity of US passenger records.

Sue

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http://www.theshipslist.com/



On 9/2/2013 1:25 PM, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> MY PROBLEM:
> 
> I'm searching for my great-aunt's emigration voyage from Ireland to the US
> (probably Boston, but possibly New York).  I've searched the Ancestry and
> FamilySearch passenger-list databases over and over again, using every
> search term, wildcards included, that I can think of, and focusing on the
> 1900-1904 period.  I've examined the images of all the potential records
> that those searches revealed.  I can't find her anywhere in that 1900-1904
> period.  I'm wondering if there are some passenger lists that have not yet
> been processed in some way.
> 
> Name:  Katie/Kate/Catherine/Catharine Hayes (all forenames were recorded
> at various times)
> 
> Birth date:  Dec. 24, 1885, according to her Social Security application
> and her NY death record.  But, her reported age varied over the years, as
> did those of many of her siblings.
> 
> Birth place:  Liscannor, Co. Clare, Ireland.
> 
> Parents:  John and Margaret (Claire) Hayes, of Liscannor.
> 
> Emigration year:  1902, according to the immigration date reported on her
> enumeration in the 1910 Lowell, MA, US census and to the immigration date
> on the passenger list, under the name Katie Plunket, for her Oct. 12,
> 1910, arrival in Boston on the Zeeland from Liverpool.  She had traveled
> back to Ireland earlier that year.  On the Zeeland passenger list her
> reported age was 25, so the calculated birth year was 1885.
> 
> Spouse:  Thomas Plunket (actually Plunkett), whom she married in 1910 and
> who accompanied her on the 1910 Zeeland voyage.
> 
> 
> MY QUESTIONS:
> 
> 1.  Have all, and I mean all, the passenger lists for arrivals at Boston
> and New York harbors been microfilmed?
> 
> 2.  Have all the microfilmed records been processed for online viewing?
> 
> 3.  Am I right to think that some records in online databases have not yet
> been indexed, and as a result cannot be found by using the regular
> database search functions?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
> 
> PJ, in Texas
> 




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