Re: [TSL] Campania and finding those "mystery" arrivals on 01/07/2013

Ancestry has now added outbound lists to the site. I checked your  
Isaac and found:

Age 47 sailed 28 Nov 1906 on the Celtic
Age 30 sailed 13 July 1904 on Merion




> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:14:01 -0500
> From: Susi Godfrey  <>
> Subject: [TSL] Campania: Liverpool to US  1903-04
> To: _THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com_ (
> I  has been several years since I used this list but I am back!
> I am trying  to track down the passenger list for Isaac Schwartz, who states
> on his  Declaration of Intention that he came from Liverpool to the US (no
> port  named) and arrived about 1 Jun 1904. ...I have been unable to find
> him via  Ancestry or Steve Morse's sites. ....
> A common problem so there's good advice here for everyone in how to tackle
> these types of challenges.
> The starting point is the assumption that the person's memory was vague and
>  the clerk at the court helped them.  "What ship did you come on?" "eh well
>  I think its name sounded liked ..." "ah I know that ship it was Campania
> and  when did you arrive?"  "Well it was spring I remember and it was uh
> three,  no four years ago..." "Oh so it must have been June 1, 1904.  
> Next ...."
> So what should you do?   Especially if the obvious fails.
> Someone said assume the name changed.  A very possible partial  solution.
> Someone said check the ship.  They gave you the  arrivals already of the
> list of the Campania.
> If it was in fact a Liverpool departure you know for a fact the person took
>  at least two ships to get there.  The Campania only sailed from Liverpool
> not Russia so the person had to take some combination of train or boat to
> get to  the UK, tranship possibly across the UK, possibly say in one of the
> emigrant  housing, and then sail Liverpool.
> So check the various UK databases to see if by chance you can find them
> coming in or staying in the UK.  Don't wed yourself to the Campania but
> assume Liverpool is likely.
> Next go to the USA records and start working backwards.  Many states  did a
> state census in 1905.  Check the 1905 census for where you think the
> person was living.  You find them and you have your first hard evidence of  a
> date which also provides a hard stop for when he had to have arrived by.
> If there is no state census what about city directories?  In New York  and
> other major cities like Chicago there are city directories that will show
> people living there and there profession.  Not fool proof but  
> another  source.
> You have a child that may or may not have been born in the USA.  Try  and
> check the birth records.  As to if the child was born in the USA or not  I
> would put more fait in the naturalization papers versus a Federal   
> Census.  It
> would have been important to have the child reflected correctly  on the
> naturalization because in this time frame they would have gotten their
> citizenship from the father's naturalization and not had to do their  
> own  later.
> So if the father said the child was born in the US on the  naturalization
> papers it could have been a problem for the child later in life   
> whereas if he
> said Russia the child got naturalizated at the same time.
> You get a sense of what I am doing.  I am closing the window around  the
> arrival date.  I generally believe the earlier documents so if in 1910  he
> said I am here 5 years and in 1920 he says I am here 18 years I go with the
> 1905 as being more likely.  Memories play trick over time.
> Also someone suggested not limiting your search to one port.  True  people
> did come via any route they could.  The route to New York was the  largest
> and best traveled because there were the most ships.  But Boston  was also a
> big port and yes some people came via Canada to the USA.
> So it becomes a process of elimination to narrow down the arrival and then
> a hunt in the records.  You can try multiple indexes too because some of
> them (like Ellis Island) have horrible spelling / translation issues in
> places.
> Its common for the husband to have come first with the wife and children
> following on.  Sometimes I find the simples search in the child to get to
> the parents.  Especially if the child has a less common first name.   Then
> sometimes when all else is not working I search just the child's age  
> and  first
> name.  Parents ages are more fluid in the records than young  children.  So
> while you can find 100s of Josephs in their 20s you often  only find a
> handful of Josephs 2 years of age.
> Maybe others have some tips on how to close in on an arrival record but
> this is how I go about it.  Sometimes the arrival records however simply do
> not work.  Especially on the older ones and ones pre-1900 the records seem
> to be incomplete.  Don't give up hope, keep searching, but try to improve
> your odds with the ideas mentioned above.
> Allan Jordan
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