|Re: [TSL] Campania and finding those "mystery" arrivals|
|email@example.com on 01/07/2013|
Ancestry has now added outbound lists to the site. I checked your
Isaac and found:
Age 47 sailed 28 Nov 1906 on the Celtic
Age 30 sailed 13 July 1904 on Merion
> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 12:14:01 -0500
> From: Susi Godfrey <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Subject: [TSL] Campania: Liverpool to US 1903-04
> To: _THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com)
> I has been several years since I used this list but I am back!
> I am trying to track down the passenger list for Isaac Schwartz, who states
> on his Declaration of Intention that he came from Liverpool to the US (no
> port named) and arrived about 1 Jun 1904. ...I have been unable to find
> him via Ancestry or Steve Morse's sites. ....
> A common problem so there's good advice here for everyone in how to tackle
> these types of challenges.
> The starting point is the assumption that the person's memory was vague and
> the clerk at the court helped them. "What ship did you come on?" "eh well
> I think its name sounded liked ..." "ah I know that ship it was Campania
> and when did you arrive?" "Well it was spring I remember and it was uh
> three, no four years ago..." "Oh so it must have been June 1, 1904.
> Next ...."
> So what should you do? Especially if the obvious fails.
> Someone said assume the name changed. A very possible partial solution.
> Someone said check the ship. They gave you the arrivals already of the
> list of the Campania.
> If it was in fact a Liverpool departure you know for a fact the person took
> at least two ships to get there. The Campania only sailed from Liverpool
> not Russia so the person had to take some combination of train or boat to
> get to the UK, tranship possibly across the UK, possibly say in one of the
> emigrant housing, and then sail Liverpool.
> So check the various UK databases to see if by chance you can find them
> coming in or staying in the UK. Don't wed yourself to the Campania but
> assume Liverpool is likely.
> Next go to the USA records and start working backwards. Many states did a
> state census in 1905. Check the 1905 census for where you think the
> person was living. You find them and you have your first hard evidence of a
> date which also provides a hard stop for when he had to have arrived by.
> If there is no state census what about city directories? In New York and
> other major cities like Chicago there are city directories that will show
> people living there and there profession. Not fool proof but
> another source.
> You have a child that may or may not have been born in the USA. Try and
> check the birth records. As to if the child was born in the USA or not I
> would put more fait in the naturalization papers versus a Federal
> Census. It
> would have been important to have the child reflected correctly on the
> naturalization because in this time frame they would have gotten their
> citizenship from the father's naturalization and not had to do their
> own later.
> So if the father said the child was born in the US on the naturalization
> papers it could have been a problem for the child later in life
> whereas if he
> said Russia the child got naturalizated at the same time.
> You get a sense of what I am doing. I am closing the window around the
> arrival date. I generally believe the earlier documents so if in 1910 he
> said I am here 5 years and in 1920 he says I am here 18 years I go with the
> 1905 as being more likely. Memories play trick over time.
> Also someone suggested not limiting your search to one port. True people
> did come via any route they could. The route to New York was the largest
> and best traveled because there were the most ships. But Boston was also a
> big port and yes some people came via Canada to the USA.
> So it becomes a process of elimination to narrow down the arrival and then
> a hunt in the records. You can try multiple indexes too because some of
> them (like Ellis Island) have horrible spelling / translation issues in
> Its common for the husband to have come first with the wife and children
> following on. Sometimes I find the simples search in the child to get to
> the parents. Especially if the child has a less common first name. Then
> sometimes when all else is not working I search just the child's age
> and first
> name. Parents ages are more fluid in the records than young children. So
> while you can find 100s of Josephs in their 20s you often only find a
> handful of Josephs 2 years of age.
> Maybe others have some tips on how to close in on an arrival record but
> this is how I go about it. Sometimes the arrival records however simply do
> not work. Especially on the older ones and ones pre-1900 the records seem
> to be incomplete. Don't give up hope, keep searching, but try to improve
> your odds with the ideas mentioned above.
> Allan Jordan
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