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Jrpinon47@aol.com on 03/08/2010

 
In a message dated 3/8/2010 3:28:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
theshipslist-request@rootsweb.com writes:



Today's Topics:

1. Re: Incoming U.K. Lists  (Sue Swiggum)
2. Re: Crowley's arrival (Sue  Swiggum)


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Message:  1
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:56:40 -0400
From: Sue Swiggum  <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [TSL] Incoming U.K. Lists
To:  Bobbi <bobbidoll@optonline.net>,  THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com
Message-ID:  <5.1.1.6.1.20100307114504.00c2bec0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca>
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Hi Bobbi,

The  1810-1811 and 1826-1869 aren't actually passenger lists, just lists of 
 
aliens arriving and the dates are just start and end year with very big  
holes in between.  The years of surviving records vary with each port  of 
arrival.

>> This data collection contains lists of aliens  (non-British citizens) 
arriving in England between 1810 and 1869.  Information listed on the 
records generally includes: name of alien, port  and date of arrival, ship. 
country of origin, age, and profession.  <<

The UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 are passenger lists  and are far 
more comprehensive .... not just aliens.   These  records are consistant 
from 1890 ----->>>  .  To learn  more about these records, read the article 
Debbie Beavis wrote for  TheShipsList.
http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/ukrecords.html

As  with most of us ... "Murphy" is always alive and well for at least one  
ancestor  :-}

Sue
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At 12:20 AM 2010-03-07 -0500,  Bobbi wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Could anyone tell me why there are  breaks in the lists of incoming alien 
>passengers?
>
>I  looked at Ancestry and they have the following:
>1810-11 &  1826-69
>1878-1960
>
>Of course, the time I would be looking  for would be between 1870 &  1872.
>
>Bobbi




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Message:  2
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:08:26 -0400
From: Sue Swiggum  <swig@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [TSL] Crowley's arrival
To:  eleanor crowley <eleanorc@eastlink.ca>,  THESHIPSLIST@rootsweb.com
Message-ID:  <5.1.1.6.1.20100307183518.00c22570@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca>
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Hi Eleanor,

In  Daniel F. Johnson's book "Irish Emigration to New England Through the 
Port  of Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada," there are some Crowley 
mentions 
...  2 for a Cornelius and 3 for a John.  None of the dates match each  
other.  One Cornelius was admitted to the Lunatic Asylum for one  month in 
1843, but although he was from Cork (Cobh), he was 31.  The  other was from 
Cork, age 20, and was admitted to the Alms House in  1847.  The first John 
died in 1842, age 24 .. the 2nd age 28 also  from Cork arrived on the 
PALLAS 
in  1845 and was admitted to the Alms  House in 1846 ... the 3rd, also from 
Cork, age 70 died in 1847, aboard the  WARD CHIPMAN.

So, you see, something pretty drastic had to happen to  you to rate a 
mention in the surviving records.  Have you checked the  New Brunswick 
Archives  ?
http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/default.aspx?culture=en-CA

Your  oral family history most likely has a lot of truth, they all do and  
although they are often embellished or misremembered, they may be the only  
'record' we have which brings us closer to the truth.  It is quite  
feasible 
that your Crowley's walked to Pugwash, NS from Saint John  NB.

There should be a record of the emigration in the newspapers on  each end, 
naming ship and date(s), but there would be no surviving  information about 
passenger emigration from 1841.

Sue
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TheShipsList Website
http://www.theshipslist.com/


At 11:33  AM 2010-03-03 -0400, eleanor crowley wrote:
>Our family left Ireland  1841 from Cobh ( they were from Dunmanway).  The 
>father John (age  52) and son Cornelius ( age 17) boarded ship on St. 
>Patrick's Day but  didn't sail until April 1st due to unfavourable sailing 
 
>conditions.  They arrived in St. John, N.B. on May 25th and from  there 
>walked to Pugwash, N.S. and forward the story goes.  I  can't find any 
>records for this.  I know St. John lost the  records that include these 
>years but where would I look for Ships  Boarding records?  There should 
>be  a record of the ship  since we know the date of departure but I am 
>having no luck there  either.  Everything I know ( which could be like 
>other oral  family histories) seems to be enclosed in a black hole 
>somewhere as I  am having no luck.  HELP   Eleanor




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